Dr Mahathir, I read with considerable interest your blog on the Tun Salleh Saga. To a certain degree, I must confess, I am happy for you have obviously regained your memory after having a momentary lapse of the same during the proceeding of the Royal Commission on the Linggam tape.
I must confess that I was not moved to post anything about the Tun Salleh issue as everybody and his dog has apparently written about it. However, after having read your latest boot-leg version, I am compelled to write this reply, just to put things on record and proper perspective.
It is quite obvious that you have mastered the fine art of manipulation. When everything else fails, what better than to stoke racial sentiment in order to gain support. That was what you were doing in Johore Bahru recently when you quite irresponsible pointed out that the Malays are the ones who would lose out if the IDR project were to continue. You than quickly followed it up in Japan when you reminded the Malays to unite and be strong because, according to you, other races are now asking for many things and questioning Malay rights. Samuel Johnson's "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" would normally be a cliche to repeat, but in your case, I would make an exception. Just change the word "patriotism" to "racialism" and you would, hopefully, catch my drift.
When the issue of an apology to Salleh Abas was started by Zaid Ibrahim, I remember you were quoted as saying that Salleh Abas was sacked by the tribunal and so an apology should be sought from the tribunal. How very convenient of you DrM. Of course you had conveniently overlooked the fact that the tribunal was established at your advice as the then Prime Minister. And so now, in your blog, you have revealed the truth. The truth, according to you, is that the King had wanted Salleh Abas be removed because His Majesty was angry with Salleh Abas' letter complaining about His Majesty's renovation work. So, are you now blaming the King, may I ask?
That is the first question which came across my mind while reading your post. The second question is this. Since when have you become a royalist so much so that you were almost paralysingly subservient to the King? The King had wanted Salleh Abas, the Lord President, sacked because of a letter over some noises made in a renovation work, and you followed it up with a tribunal established under our primary law, the Federal Constitution? You wanted us to believe that you, the then Prime Minister, the very same Prime Minister who amended the Federal Constitution to curb the powers of the King and the Malay Rulers, had agreed to establish the tribunal at the behest of the King? Since when has Dr Mahathir Mohamad, the fearless Prime Minister, who took away the necessity for Royal assents to any bill of law before it could effectively be the law of the country by amending the Federal Constitution, had suddenly be so subservient to the King in relation to the sacking of Salleh Abas?
The third question is glaring to people in the know. It is of course not there for every supporters of yours to see, as we could well surmise from the majority of the comments made in your blog on the issue. The question is this. Why was it that Salleh Abas was not charged over THAT letter? If what you said was true, why wasn't Salleh Abas charged for writin such a letter to the King and carbon copying it to all the Rulers? WHY? If the King had wanted Salleh Abas sacked for being rude to His Majesty, why is it that Salleh Abas not charged for being rude to our King? W.H.Y.??? Why is it that only now, 20 years later, suddenly, this letter has appeared and become an issue? Is it a case of you forgetting about that letter in 1988, just as you have forgotten about some events during the Linggam tape hearing, and suddenly rediscovering your memory last week about the same letter? Coincidently, your former secretary, Matthias Chang, has spoken about this letter in his blog sometime in the past weeks. Coincidently, I wrote.
By the way, during the constitutional crisis caused by your beligerent attitude towards the King and the Malay Rulers, I remember the state mass media, the newspapers and RTM, had even belittled the King and the Malays Rulers. The whole propaganda machines were used to smear the King and the Malay Rulers. Pictures of their palaces and mansions were shown on TV and in the newspapers. Stories about their wrongdoings were splashed in newspapers. Even Sultan of Kedah's house in Penang did not escape your propaganda machine. RTM would proceed to air old Malay movies about how stupid the Malay Rulers in ancient days were. Films like Nujum Pak Belalang, Hang Tuah and Dang Anum were aired just to shape the people's thoughts about how bad the King and the Malay Rulers were or could be. And yet, you now want us to believe that you were just doing what the King had wanted you to do by establishing the tribunal against Salleh Abas? Stretching your argument that Salleh Abas had to go because the King said so, why didn't you sack yourself, your whole cabinet and everybody else who had then partaken in the whole process of smearing the good name and dignity of our King and the Malay Rulers? Why only Salleh Abas?
DrM, sometimes, one's stupidity is most glaring in one's thought that everybody else is stupid!
You then mention in your blog that it was your opinion that Salleh Abas had committed wrongdoings and that he was not fit to be a Judge. If that was the case, may I respectfully ask why is it that you had not deemed it fit to establish a tribunal against a certain Lord President who was photographed with a certain lawyer oversea? Wouldn't that constitute a wrongdoing? That fact was, I am sure, known to you as it was widely discussed in the media during your premiership. It was even investigated by the ACA. Or how about the ACA investigation which showed that a certain lawyer had written a certain judgment for a certain Judge? Wouldn't that be a wrongdoing which would, if substantiated, render the Judge unfit to continue be a Judge? Why only Salleh Abas? Why not these Judges? Or is it a case of you having forgotten what they did just as you have forgotten several events during the Linggam tape proceedings, again?
You now charged, as you have always charged, that the judiciary, had interfered in the administration of the country. Your disdain for the law, lawyers and judiciary is well documented Dr M. I remember clearly in one speech, you liken the lawyers to vultures. But of course, you would now say it was all in jest. Your contempt for the law and judiciary, every time the judiciary made a decision against you or your government is almost peerless. You would deem such decision as interference with the administration. Although you know that the administration consists of 3 different, but essential, arms, namely, the legislature, executive and judiciary, you failed miserably to understand their respective functions and duties. The phrase "check and balance" was missing from your administrative dictionary which was probably reprinted with an express instruction from you to delete the same.
Thus, history will show that you were so upset and angry with the judiciary that you had instigated another Constitutional amendment to take away "judicial powers" from the judiciary! May I point out Dr M, that Malaysia, would be the only country in the whole Commonwealth ( I say Commonwealth because I am not accustomed to non-Commonwealth systems) whose judiciary does not have judicial powers unless the legislature says so. Coincidentally of course, who controlled the legislature? That was, and I surmise, still is, your idea of a democracy.
Remember what I said above about stupidity? Let me repeat it. One's stupidity is most glaring in one's thought that everybody else is stupid!
You some what denies that the sacking of Salleh Abas had anything to do with the UMNO 11 appeal which was then fixed by Salleh Abas to be heard by a full bench of 9 Judges on 13.6.1988. Events will show, at least on a balance of probability, otherwise. Salleh Abas was served with a letter of suspension on 27.5.1988. Abdul Hamid Omar became the Acting Lord President. I will come back to this character later in this post. On that very day, namely, 27.5.1988, on which Salleh Abas was suspended, Abdul Hamid Omar, as Acting Lord President, acting without any application by any party named in the UMNO 11 appeal, adjourned the appeal to a date to be fixed later. Why? For what reason? Why the haste? Nobody knows. That appeal was later fixed for hearing on 8.8.1988 before only 5 judges comprising of 3 Supreme Court Judges, including Abdul Hamid Omar himself and 2 High Court Judges. Not 9 as originally fixed by Salleh Abas. How could a valid decision by a Lord President, which was made prior to his suspension, be reversed by an Acting Lord President is quite beyond me or my intelect to comprehend, let alone answer. And quite why the appeal was to be heard by a corum of 3 Supreme Court Judges and 2 High Court Judges, instead of all Supreme Court Judges, is also beyond my tiny brain's ability to understand. I am sure you wouldn't remember this fact Dr M. Otherwise, I am sure you would have stated it in your post. I am sure.
If the sacking had nothing to do with the UMNO 11 appeal, why, may I ask, is that the first official act of the Acting Lord President was to postpone the hearing of that particular appeal? Why did he then proceed to overturn a valid act of the Lord President, who was then still a Lord President, albeit the fact that he was suspended? Why?
Salleh Abas made a statement to the press after his suspension. In the statement, he alluded to a meeting on 25.5.1998 with you, in the presence of the Chief Secretary, Salehuddin Mohamad, where you allegedly told him (Salleh Abas) that he was to be removed because, among others, of his bias in the UMNO 11 appeal. Salehuddin Mohamad was a witness at the tribunal. He said he was taking notes during the said meeting. While he could remember writing down only 2 matters in the note book during the meeting, namely, Salleh Abas' speech and his letter to the King (about your attack of the judiciary and not about the renovation issue), he only managed to say that he cannot remember that you had mentioned the UMNO case during the meeting when asked by the tribunal members. If he was so sure that he only took down notes about the aforesaid 2 matters in his notebook, why then he could not EXPRESSLY deny that you had mentioned about the UMNO case during the said meeting? Why can't he remember? And, in a show of embarrassing shallowness on the part of the tribunal, it FAILED to ask Salehuddin to produce the notebook! Why? It would appear that your Chief Secretary was clearly suffering from the same disease as yours namely, partial and momentary lapse of memory.
On the balance of probability therefore, your contention that the sacking of Salleh Abas did not have anything to do with the UMNO case under appeal is flawed, to say the least. Why don't you state all these facts in your blog Dr M? And let the people who read it to judge the matter after having been fed with al relevant facts. Not with facts which you think are relevant. Not with facts which you choose to remember for your own purpose and objectives.
I have reserved my comment about Abdul Hamid Omar. Now is the time form me to say something about him. This was the man who was effectively Salleh Abas' subordinate. He became Acting Lord President when Salleh Abas was suspended. He was also next in line to be the Lord President, in the event Salleh Abas was sacked. History will show that he did replace Salleh Abas after his sacking. How could he then head the tribunal? He was obviously conflicted out from being in the tribunal. Justice must not only be done, but must also be seen to be done. Haven't you heard of that? Or have you forgotten about it? Or is it a case that you did not really care?
Salleh Abas was then charged, among others, for writing a letter to the King dated 26.3 1988. For the benefit of those readers who don't really know the facts, this was not the letter complaining about the renovation. As I had said it, the renovation letter was never mentioned in any of the charges. The letter dated 26.3.1988 was a letter by Salleh Abas to the King to inform the King that Dr M had been attacking the judiciary. I will not touch on the merit or demerit of this letter. But what Dr M had failed to realise, or rather, what Dr M had ignored was the fact that this letter was written by Salleh Abas after all the Judges had a meeting on 25.3.1988. Even the Chairman of the tribunal, the aforesaid Abdul Hamid Omar, was present during the said meeting. In more ways than one, the said letter was a collective result of the Judges' meeting, including that of Abdul Hamid Omar, the Chairman of the tribunal. Two questions arise here Dr M. Firstly, stretching your contention that Salleh Abas had to be removed because of that letter as well as the renovation letter to its own logical conclusion, why didn't you suspend all the Judges who attended the meeting of 25.3.1988 and institute the same proceeding, with a view of dismissing all of them? That would be its reasonable conclusion as the letter was a collective result. Secondly, how could Abdul Hamid Omar, be a part of the tribunal, let alone its Chairman when he was obviously a potential witness? But then again, the 2nd question is borne out of a legal point, and so I don't expect you to understand it, let alone grasp it.
Allow me to also set out the exact facts and events around the same time Salleh Abas was charged. In 1986, you, as Home Minister cancelled the work permit of 2 Asian Wall Street Journal journalists in Malaysia. They brought the matter to the Court and the Supreme Court held that your action was illegal and therefore invalid. You were upset. IN TIME magazine (issue of 24.11.1986), you expressed your displeasure. Contempt proceedings were brought against you by the opposition. You escaped as the proceedings were dismissed by the Court. However, the learned Judge remarked in his judgment that you were confused at the doctrine of separation of powers. Later, in a speech to law students, the same Judge said that the process of appointing senators should be by way of an election. You mistook, as usual, this speech as a challenge and interference in politics when all the learned Judge was doing was expressing his own personal opinion over a matter which was not entirely political but also legal as well. Of course you then had to accuse "certain Judges" as interfering with politics. You then began a series of unwarranted attacks against the judiciary at a level and intensity as yet unseen in Malaysian history. What would you do if you were Salleh Abas, the Lord President? Take all the attacks lying down while waiting for pension?
You failed to appreciate his duty as the Lord President. He was the chief of the judiciary, an essential branch of the country's administration system. AS much as you were the head of the executive, so was Salleh Abas the head of the judiciary. He had to defend the very institution which he then headed. He convened a meeting of Judges on 25.3.1988 and collectively they decided to write a letter to the King about all the attacks leveled against the judiciary. What was so wrong with that? Why, you wanted him to lodge a police report over the matter?
By the way, in the present climate when every other Malay politicain is trying to be more Islam than every other Malay and his pussy cats, you of course forgot to mention one of the charges against Salleh Abas in your blog for obvious reason. The charge was that Salleh Abas had advocated the acceptance of the Islamic legal system in Malaysia and had re-stated the law along Islamic legal principles with against the multi-racial and multi-religious character of our country. Why didn't you mention this in your blog? You forgot? Or is it simply a case of you being afraid of losing the Malay support among your Malay readers if that was published by you in your blog?
Dr M, I am not your supporter. Nor am I Anwar Ibrahim or Abdullah Badawi's supporter. I am a supporter of truth. In this matter, nobody would know the truth. But if you are persuading people that your version is the truth, I would at least, expect you to lay out the whole story. And let the people, and history, be the judge.
Do you know what the beauty of the Common Law (which we practise)? The beauty is that it is a set of law common to all the people. That means, when a matter is wrong or right, ultimately, the common people would know. The common people. Me, and your readers.
Kind regards,
Art Harun
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Professor Art Harun, i give you my heaven high salutation concerning your divine wisdom and discernment ! Your comment show the whole truth nothing but the truth !
thumbs up. let this be read by more and the truth be known.
Professor Art Harun, I salute you for your observations on " The Tun Salleh Saga--- an open letter to Dr. Mahathir" . Yes, you have said many things; now , it is Dr. Mahathir's turn to give his rebuttal, if any.
It is said that " justice delayed, is justice denied" . However, the recent payment of ex-gratia to the Judges; and the earlier meeting with the sacked and suspended judges and the widows of Judges spoke volumes about Heaven's gift to men of honour to ensure that JUSTICE, though delayed, is not denied of them.
I would also say that justice cock-eyed is justice jaundiced.And it is a travesty of justice. All men of goodwill and of justice will always uphold justice, at whatever cost .
Malaysia , practising the SEAPARATION of powers must always ensure that this principle will be upheld at all times; and I am indeed very delighted that the de facto Law Minister, Datuk Zaid Ibrahim, has pursued this principle by initiating the REFORMS of the Judiciary . This is a LEGACY which people will always remember.
All right-thinking Malaysians, I believe, will want this separation of powers to be intact; and that no man is above the law.The law is always ABOVE man.
S.H. Huang
Art,
I know I'm biased when I say this but dude - FUCKING AWESOME piece and I agree with every word of it, even the goddamned typos. I can't tell you what a goddamned honour it is to blog with ya mate. If the bastards take you down, they gotta take me along with you! Keep gazing that navel of yours! hehehe
Prof Art Harun, you argued well, let me post it in my blog for more readers to see and we see what Dr M have to say in his rebuttal....
Fantastically fantastic!!! Common law understood by the common people. A joy to read indeed!
Absolutely love this. I think more people should read this.
And adding on one irrelevant note, I think, perhaps you should teach constitutional law & history, very sure it will be more interesting. ;-)
Prof(?) Art Harun,
Read the whole thing, but can't find the rebuttal. More of your throwing hatred feelings at Mahathir.
But true to your name, your writing is artistic.
Long live Mahathir.
Zack
Sir.
You are seeking for the truth.
Tun is offering you one but you discredit and lambasted him with your weak belief.
I dont trust Salleh Abbas. He deceit Malaysian during his meeting with Tun. He was clearly asked to resign on two solid reason i.e his letter to the King (complaining of the noise)and again another letter stating he was no longer capable to discharging his duty. His own confession. It showed how 'sombong' these Salleh Abbas. The King disliked him and he blamed Tun Mahathir for not protecting)
Malaysian has been widely misled by him and the issue been manipulated by DAP.
You should reviewed your understanding pertaining to the case. Your writings here are all confine with hatred.
To me you are one sided listener. Tun's explanation has fall on your deaf ear and dead heart. Repent yourself.
Professor,
Thank you for writing the truth.
Prof,
An intelligent counter argument to Mahathir's gutter reasonings.
Can some legal minds translate it into BAHASA and spread all over town.
Tahniah....
Absolutely fantastic. Thank you for defending Tun Salleh eloquently. With one stroke you have defended him, the Judiciary, The doctrine of seperation of powers, The excessive abuse of The Executive especially Tun DR M and factualised everything which happened at that time which Dr M was trying to fallacify. I salute u sir. And thank you for Defending Tun Salleh (I have not even met him but I truly appreciate this just man). Thank you sir.
A beautiful piece of writing!
Mahathir would pass off as a roadside medicine peddler with a flute in one hand and a cobra dancing to its tune.
He is a master of manipulation, trickery and double-speak.
I used to describe him as a personification of Evil. He has a heart of stone, merciless, vindictive and revengeful. He has a piercing pair of eyes.
I find him so despicable that I vowed never to even to visit his blog. So, I did not in any way contribute to his 1 million hits!
On the very day "May Day for Justice" was released some twenty years ago I got a copy, read it through the night and promised to keep it for the future generations so that the truth will be told that this man was solely responsible for the emasculation of the judiciary.
Salleh Abas need not reply to him or to pussy cat Matthias.
You have defended him well.
Oh, yes I also remember how he tried to destroy Anwar and his abuse of the ISA.
Damn, this man is EVIL!!!
absolutely freaking awesome...concise, precise and a clear chain of events and thoughts, well laid out for all to see.
Can I post this in the other blog I visit *wink* wink*
It should be read by as many people as possible, to expose the true colours of a hypocritic, racist megalomaniac with selective memory impairment that is Mahatir mohd *ptui*.
Prof Art harun bravo! he had put alot of innocent people to shame & yet he wants to put things right now when AAB is the PM. Afterall after 22 years in power, I admit he brought developement to the country but we can around us there are alot of mega project as mere white elephant with developers going burst. Why? This is because there are alot of corruptions , cronysm going on during his reign. Dr. M remember what goes around, will come around as the saying going goes what you do unto other will fall unto you. There is a god who is watching you remember old man, he had given you another chance to live after your last operation yet you dont repent then you are dome.
you're a professor?
I think you should be more professional in writing your blogs. Calling the venerable TDM, your own prime minister as stupid and other offensive remarks is so unbecoming of someone having a high esteemed title as 'professor'. Even the x PM never state the offensive words like that in any of his blog articles in defending himself against accusations by certain quarters.
Be professional in your writings.
-berbudi bahasa-
I 200% agree with you. On the part of Hamid Omar being the chairman of the tribunal, even my late father who was a school teacher expressed his concern back then that Hamid should not sit on the tribunal as there is a conflict of interest. A school teacher can tell about the "conflict of interest" how come TDM the then PM does not know about it? or rather choose to ignore it. Sigh...
God, what an article! Feels like I just had a good meal. Fantastic.
Dear Navel Gazer, Your open letter is a complete expression of my sentiments. I was a young lawyer in 1988. It was trauma for all of us. You hit the nail right on the head (or, should I say COFFIN).
The Tun should be the first person to be charged with lest majeste.. He has no moral right to comment on Salleh Abbas..
Thanks for the other side of the story. It's sad not only for Tun Salleh but for all of us Malaysians for it's lasting effects.
What does a Kucing Kurap Doctor know about Law? It's an inconvenience. In that same breadth what the crap does this manufik fasik cares about Islam - it's even more an impediment to his lack of integrity and fair play! So all he can preach day in and day out is "Malay rights"!!! I LOVE PAS _ AT LEAST THEY HAVE A SENSE OF INTEGRITY AND FAIR PLAY! Mamak Mutty may you rot in hell - sooner rather than later
Professor Art Harun, I hope you have also sent this article to Mahathir's blog for vetting and close scrutiny!! And hope that that racist Tun will also put it up in his blog!!! Fat hopes of that happening.
Darm good piece of reply. Why on earth is that old man still alive and not put to jail?
Thank you for such a good piece of writing.This gives us Malaysians hope for the future.
Please DON"t stop.
An astonishing tapestry of artful wisdom!
"Do you know what the beauty of the Common Law (which we practise)? The beauty is that it is a set of law common to all the people."
Dr.M would be asking Matthias Chang who is this Common Law beauty Art is articulating.
As far as Dr.M concerned law and legal profession never beautiful.
Let's see how M & M reply Art Harun.
Another revealation of TDM judicial misconduct by a high court
judge
By Danny Wong
SIBU (Theborneopost): A High Court judge here yesterday made some startling revelations at the commencement of the proceedings of the election petition filed by the DAP candidate for the Sarikei parliamentary seat, Wong Hus She, to declare the result of the March 8 general election for the seat void.
The Barisan Nasional candidate, Ding Kuong Hing, won the seat with a slim majority of 51 votes.
Justice Datuk H C Ian Chin informed the parties in open court that he had certain disclosures to make at the start of the proceedings, saying he was doing so to forestall any complaints that might be made by the parties later.
He said complaints had been made against him in an earlier case that he had failed to disclose the detention of his father and brother during the time of the Mustapha regime in Sabah in late 1969 and the early 1970.
Chin then proceeded to make his disclosure the contents of which could only be described as explosive, coming hot on the heels of the findings of the Royal Commission in the Lingam video tape.
He started by saying that “it is better to err on caution that I take this step to shortly disclose what the parties and counsel may not be aware but which they may later complain that I should have disclosed”.
“I take this course also because I am smarting over the complaint that the detention of my father and brother during the time of the Mustapha regime in Sabah in late 1969 and the early 1970 should have been but not disclosed. (See Sabah Foundation & 2 Ors vs Datuk Syed Kechik & Anor, Kota Kinabalu High Court at http://kkhighcourt.com/Completed Civil Matters/SabahFoundation.doc)
“What I am going to disclose relate to what happened after two of my judgements were handed down. One was the judgment in a libel case which I handed down on February 5 1997 (see Raveychandran v Lai Su Chon & Ors at http://kkhighcourt.com/Completed Civil Trials/RaveychandranNST.pdf) by which I distinguished MGG Pillai V Tan Sri Dato Vincent Tan Chee Yioun & Other Appeals (1995) 2 MLJ 493 and refused to give what I consider to be astronomical award for damage to reputation in libel cases,” he said.
Chin said the other was the judgement handed down on Feb 13 1997 in respect of an election petition (Donald Lawan v Abang Wahed bin Abang & Ors [Sri Aman High Court]) by which he set aside the election of Mong Dagang.
“Shortly after those two judgements, the Judges Conference was held from April 24 1997.
The then prime minister was scheduled to have a dialogue with the judges on that date. What was termed a dialogue and later reported as one was anything but a dialogue.
“The then prime minister went there to issue a thinly veiled threat to remove judges by referring to the tribunal that was set up before and stating that though it may be difficult to do so, it was still done. He said all that after he had expressed his unhappiness with what he termed ‘the Borneo Case’ and after he had asked whether the judge who decided that case was present or not.”
Chin said no one had any doubt that he was referring to the election case though he (then prime minister) did not mention it specifically which he decided on Feb 13, 1997.
Added the High Court judge: “After he was done with issuing that threat, he then proceeded to express his view that people should pay heavily for libel.
“He managed to get a single response from a Court of Appeal judge who asked whether he would be happy with a sum of RM1 million as damages for libel.
“He approved of it and he later on made known his satisfaction by promoting this judge (since deceased) to the Federal Court over many others who were senior to him when a vacancy arose.
“I was devastated after hearing all that but help came immediately after the “dialogue” was over when Federal Court judges came to my side and asked me to ignore him. Equally comforting were the words of my brother High Court judge who later told me that the then Prime Minister was too much.
“It will be recalled that the then prime minister not long after he assumed office had said, in a much publicised campaign against corruption, that he will put the fear of God in man but this apparently, given his diatribe in that conference, changed to instilling a fear of him if any judgment is to his dislike.”
Chin went on to say that to commemorate his “dialogue” with the judges a group picture was taken (which can be viewed by going to http://www/kkhighcourt.com/ JudgesnMahathir.htm).
To rub it in, he said, Bernama circulated a press release with one appearing in a Sabah newspaper (The Daily Express May 25 1997) which “was far from stating the truth”. A month later, Chin said he was packed off to a boot camp from May 26-30 together with selected judges and judicial officers.
He said that the boot camp was without any doubt “an attempt to indoctrinate those attending the boot camp to hold the view that the government interest as being more important than all else when we are considering our judgement”.
“Stating this devilish notion was by no less a person than the President of the Court of Appeal. Everyone was quiet during the question sessions. Also invited to the boot camp was a lecturer from a university who berated the election case and the bright spot in this episode was that a judicial officer, during question time, told the lecturer that she had no question but only a statement to make which was that the lecturer was in contempt of court.
“The then prime minister was scheduled to talk but he did not turn up and instead sent his then deputy who instead of talking invited questions and the one question I remembered being asked was — Are politicians looking for girls when they are often seen loitering at posh hotel lobbies?
“The perversion of justice did not stop there. My brother judge Kamil Awang was one morning looking for me after clocking in; we were both then serving in Kuching, Sarawak. When I met up with him in his chambers he was distraught and he told me that he had last night received a telephone call from the then Chief Justice asking him to dismiss the election petition that he was going to hear in Kota Kinabalu.
“He sought my opinion as to what to do with the telephone call.
“We went into the possibility of making a police report or of writing to the Chief Justice a letter to record what he had said over the telephone but in the end he decided against it since it will be his words against that of the Chief Justice,” he said.
Chin told the court that he was happy to later on learn that Kamil did not bow to the pressure by the Chief Justice and went on to hear the petition and thereafter making a decision based on the law and evidence.
The High Court judge said he had twice stood unsuccessfully as a Barisan Nasional candidate for a parliamentary and later for a state seat in Sabah in the 1980s and in one of those elections he was defeated by a DAP candidate.
He said he had also heard other election petitions, namely Yusuf Abdul Rahman v Abdul Ajis & Ors and Lee Hie Kui v Song Swee Guan & Darrell Tsen.
“Now, though no longer the prime minister and so no longer able to carry out his threat to remove judges which should therefore dispel any fear which any judge may have of him, if ever there was such fear, nevertheless the coalition party that he led is still around and the second respondent won on a ticket of that coalition party and it may cross someone’s mind that I may have an axe to grind against the party concerned or any member thereof.
“The petitioner in this case may also have similar view with regard to my defeat by a candidate standing on the ticket of a party to which he belongs.
” So I wish to hear from the parties as to whether they (counsel or parties) in this case entertain any such notion and whether they wish to apply for my recusal so that, if any, I can make a decision thereon.
“After this disclosure, litigants who were affected by the hundreds of judgment that I had handed down since those infamous days may justifiably worry as to whether any of my judgments were in any way influenced by this attempt to hang the Sword of Damocles over my head.
“No amount of words from me would assuage you of your worry; you will have to read my judgments as to whether they are according to the evidence and the law or whether they were influenced by threat.”
Chin then adjourned for half an hour to let the parties digest what he had said and to consider whether they wished to make any application for his recusal.
However, they expressed their full confidence in him in presiding over the hearing of the case.
Professor Art Harun, I salute you for this excellent piece! Now lets see what Dr M has to say.
http://www.futurefastforward.com/component/content/article/12
the letter from tdm to agong regarding tun salleh's position sheds light on a couple of your points.
tq
regards,
wanting to know the truth as well
Professor Arif Harun,
I really takeog my hat to you for what you have written. You really hit Dr.M rght under his belt. You gave all the facts while rebutting Dr.M point by point, highlighting and exposing Dr.M's denials,his temporary loss of memory as in Lingam's tape hearing, his sudden surge of memories for which he "could not remember" during Royal Commission hearing, his manipulation of events and facts for obvious reasons to suit his purpose or to mislead the readers. Dr.M is the master of manipulation. As a malaysian, it saddens me to see that our ex PM would resort to stoke racial sentiments to gain support as he did in Johore and Japan - and anybody else who did it during his tenure would have been hauled up under the ISA and called a traitor. Sir, you have aptly describe it as "racialism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" Dr. M never admits his mistakes and he is too pround to do it. No human is perfect and only God is. Dr. M should have the magnitude to admit and say sorry for the wrongs which he had done during his 22 years of premiership.
Benji, 10th June, 2008, Kuala Lumpur.
well said and points taken...don't you think ...its a bit too late? Thats the problems with Malaysian judiciary...always wait ...look ...see attitude. Its about time we see changes...whatever changes it might be...at least we know the truth...dying with dignity..
Prof Art Harun, many thanks for the detail accounts of a very sad chapter in our Malaysian history. Continue to show the truth and the devious and selfish manipulations of Mathathir who only believe in his personal glory and not the rakyat's.
Prof...a brilliant master piece from you.
Quote"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."Unquote
One man who has had the hold over all minister and politician in his pockets and none dare to go against. For those who do has found his wrath. I hope there will never be another Mahathir or the likes of him as the Prime Minister.
Prof Art, well written argument. Truly open eyes for me. Let me spread it on my blog so that more people will be read and understand more on the issue. REFORMS of the Judiciary is a must for Malaysia.
BY THE WAY I SEE IT..this is the malay political manipulation of power, rent seeking,gerrymandering art... Justice!..they said is political...never apolitical!this is the beginning of the end...sigh...
oh...will Dr M reply to this or will he adopt Dollah's elegent silence? or will he brush it off with a sneer remark like his usual trick? or will he slip into another of his selective amnesia again...oh i wonder what would happen.
I think Dr MM's memory has been somewhat refreshed by the Professor, hard to claim amnesia now.
My opinion is that this Abdul Hamid Omar person has got LOTS to answer to.
Are you insisting that there was absolutely no such letter of complaint by Tun Salleh Abas about the noise made by the Agong's renovation of his palace? I read your article and I could not determine whether you are arguing that there was this letter or not.
If you are sure that there was no such letter, why are you not lodging a police report against Tun Mahathir for criminal contempt against the King? or for blasphemy? or for ridiculing the King in the public?
If you are not sure, tell me which act of Tun Mahathir was wrong, his taking back of the rakyat's power in matters of legislation so that Agong's interference was kept to the minimum or his setting up of the tribunal as directed by the King that eventually sacked Tun Salleh Abas?
I hope you can publish this!
Too many spelling mistakes! Please improve on your spelling...and dictionary...
Double thumbs up, bro Harun. With all my respect. Wish more people are like-minded.
Professor Harun,
I salute you on unfolding the truth for benefit of that Dr M. with selective memory. The nation needs to know the factas and the truth.
I salute you and thank you from the botom of my heart.
The truth always stand the tide of time.
I salute you.
We need more people like you to speak up on the truth without fear or favour!
Man, u cut the putar alam's argument to ribbons!
Sorry le prof, I could not find any substance in your writing. I am suprised that you are called a proffesor. The set up of the Tribunal was proper and the Tribunal has every right to clear Salleh Abas. Don't tell me all the foreign judges were biased. What I understand many of these were Commpnwealth ex-judges. I think TDM's argument is far better than yours. The talk of the actual reason for the removal TSA had been almost for a year
ART HARUN???? PROFESSOR??? FROM WHICH UNIVERSITY??? HAVENT HEARD OF YOU...
Why are you attacking him know, and only now? Last time you have no balls is it? Whats the point of attcking him now? Can petrol prices come down?
NO, lah, Dr M is not going to rebut this marvellously well-written piece by our learned blogger here.
Why? Cos Dr M doesn't have the intellect to reply to such a great piece of truth.
And also, Dr M would most probably have a memory lapse as he is about to rebut, i.e., if he can rebut at all.
Pak Kadok
That man is evil. I am no Malay myself but what I know is that the vindictive and vengeful culture he is propagating is so un-Malay. Look at Musa Hitam, Ku Li, Anwar Ibrahim, they are all victims of that evil man's manipulation and today they do not breathe a word of revenge against this man. You can read a summary of the whole Tun Salleh Saga in the Law Quarterly Review Volume 106 January 1990 written by Professor F.A. Trindade.
Only a full scale commission of inquiry will be able to expose how he abused his power against the judiciary and our constitutional monarchy and finally the democratic principles which we so dearly cherished. Expose him we must to determine for our country's history whether he is a hero or villain. If he is a villain, then we must learn our own mistakes for being misled by this evil man and there must be no repeat in any our future leaders in abusing their power.
cuan
Just for the sake of completion, I have copied comments left at MalaysiaToday on this article:
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written by Fernz, June 10, 2008 | 12:15:15
Mahathir is a pathological lier, perhaps even a congenital one.
http://fernzjoefernandez.blogspot.com
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written by teo siew chin, June 10, 2008 | 12:17:14
gotta admit. it takes a giant of a man to take down the media, the judiciary... and wield absolute power over all and sundry.
the thing is, did he get to be a giant because of all the dwarfs surrounding him?
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written by weehan, June 10, 2008 | 12:22:05
i think we should all learn to ignore the old man. he is irrelevant now.
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written by DontPlayGod, June 10, 2008 | 12:24:36
Mahathir could rule Malaysia for so long because UMNO and the master race supported his discriminatory and racist policies. He used racist policies to gain support from the Malays, and he is now using the race card to rouse the Malays for their support again. The race card has worked very well for Mahathir all throughout his career. We can't blame him, at least, for using the race card again.
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written by netaddict1, June 10, 2008 | 12:26:09
Forgive him. He's got SARS
Selective Amnesia-Recollection Syndrome
still no cure found to-date yet.
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written by keris_mudin, June 10, 2008 | 12:27:39
I had always wondered why Tun hardly ever preach about the integrity and pureness of Islam or being a good Muslim! Now I know why -
1) he cannot accept the King to have the final say on ANYTHING so he has to take away their rights and make them prostate to him!
2) he Cannot stand the Judiciary having the final say on Judicial matters so he takes away their independence and make the law prostate to him.
So his next act is to tell Allah he is coming to take over his post up there.
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written by InEffective, June 10, 2008 | 12:35:38
I think what is helpful to Malaysia, is to create the controls and supports whereby no politician of destructive and manipulative intellect and capability can ever hold our nation and her peoples to ransom again.
We now comprehend how blind and mindless allegiance or deference to race, religion or origin is NOT a ticket to success in governance.
We enabled and allowed politicians to dominate and own the peoples - we have to take accountability and ownership of this fiasco - or our children also will pay in spades and suffer the consequences just like we have.
We owe it to our children to never ever let politicians rule them. We are obligated to create a system of governance where politicians have to serve our children.
In this regards, of all the nations, the constitution of the usa has been the wisest in ensuring that governance-gone-bad is limited. Thank god for the wisdom of the US founding fathers that the current us president is limited from destruction by term-limits. But even in the US, the separation of powers and the check and balances failed.
Our energies and talents should rightly focus on strengthening the malaysian constitution (which is clearly dysfunctional) to serve the interests of the peoples (and not the politicians).
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written by oknyua, June 10, 2008 | 12:52:54
Honestly I read this ONLY because I read Justice Ian Chin's comments in the Sibu Court (read another thread above).
What lesson do we learn. Yes I agree with the writter, sooner or later, common people knows. Read first-hand account from Justice Ian Chin's comment about justice, or the persversion of it.
May all the righteous judges, Judge Ian Chin, Tun Salleh, Chief Justice Hamid, Judge Hisham...etc prevail, good over evil, rigtheous over crocked. That is the legacy we want to teach and leave for our children.
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written by FOLI, June 10, 2008 | 13:18:36
The sooner that exPM conked off the better it would be for the country, let him become history for us to learn from and not repeat, rather than having him continuously writing crap on his blog and stirring up all the rubbish.
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written by cheemengwong, June 10, 2008 | 13:28:49
I was listening to Hard Talk where the guest was a Hamas senior politician. Dr. M sounds, looks and speaks like him!
No wonder they have no peace!
In Malaysia, the peace is held together by the Raayat. The politicians are zealously trying to prey open the Raayat's unity and cause havoc!
Why do we need such leaders? Another Hamas?
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written by cheemengwong, June 10, 2008 | 13:37:04
May I added that all the political problems between leaders of this country is due to squable on how to maximize the spending and usage of the Raayat's hard earn money!
How to spend on the Corridors lah
How to spend on the Putrajaya lah
How to spend on the Cyberjaya lah
How to spend on the Bridge over Penanglah
How to spend on the mono Rail lah
How to spend on the Holidays for Ministers lah
How to spend buying a jack for RM 500
etc..etc..
They are quarreling over who should have the power to squander our Raayat's money on what and how?
Go and earn your own money to spendlah.
Be a good steward for Raayat's money.
Don't just eye the money and let the Raayat kill each other. With so much lies perpectuating by the BN leaders, the Raayat have to open their eyes!
Otherwise, we shall have no more money and die!
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written by shangrilapeace, June 10, 2008 | 13:52:12
If you had not pass the baton to the present PM, all this 'things' would not've happened. M.L.King is black & fighting for his people in 'big' USA & almost everyone in the world agreed he's right.
'Small' Malaysia too is fighting JUSTICE for all.
Accepted your wrong choice of PM, take a good rest & SILENCE IS GOLDEN.
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written by Lim Lim, June 10, 2008 | 15:22:54
justice for all????in this bolehland???under the corrupted to core regime umno/B.Natang??No way ,man!!!doubt,big doubt!!
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written by HamChak, June 10, 2008 | 15:45:52
The Slogan "Malaysia Boleh" should read
as "MAMAK Boleh"
MaMak Boleh apa???
I pun tak, tak tahu, lor.
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written by SCM, June 10, 2008 | 16:12:09
Yo Tun, why is everyone smearing your name? After all, you are not the PM in power now and you don't have a chance in hell to rape the country anymore. So why? Maybe because YOU are the one responsible for all the rot in this country. Everyone knows that you are the person who single-handedly destroyed this country. You will be forever remembered as the PM who destroyed Malaysia. Your Robert Mugabe tactics worked because you put in place all your henchmen. One of them even had the gall to beat up our ex-Deputy PM. You stole our oil money from Petronas to fulfill your perverted dreams. You were even so brave to expose your crooked ways by wanting to build a crooked bridge. What audacity you have. Now when another set of corrupt BN members want to continue with the rape that you masterminded, no, they cannot do that. Your cronies must still be the beneficiaries of the corrupt money. How much money do you want? You and your sons have stolen enough money from us to last several lifetimes. So why don't you just do what the rakyat wants you to do, i.e. just fade away into the horizon. Maybe you are still trying to get some monumental structure named after you? Maybe Alam Flora should change its name to Mahathir Flora. After all, you are responsible for all this rubbish, right?
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written by stchin, June 10, 2008 | 17:35:01
..how do your WIFE & children have so...so...much...very..very...much..us$ .. in isreali s'pore BANKS !! please teach me lah, i am broke man !!
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written by harmanamri, June 10, 2008 | 17:38:10
Sudah lah Mahathir!! Janganlah menegak benang basah. Your game is up. The more you talk now, the more you are exposed. Soon you'll be wishing that you're dead!! Shame, shame!!
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written by mykantree, June 10, 2008 | 17:39:13
Recent developments has proven that TDM is just another politician who is a sore loser, a politician who will twist and turn every which way to get what he wants, a politician who has lost not only his own self-respect, but also those who once believed him.George Soros is right - TDM is a danger to this country.Lets hope that it is still not too late for all Malaysians to realise that.
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written by Jin bedil, June 10, 2008 | 18:20:38
Hello friend
Can read mat saman kati blog, Then PM and his family, friend cabinet minister FD in Jew Bank. That a lot of $. That ranting blog girl is a billionair wow.....banyak kaya. No need to work 10 generation oso tak habis makan. That is AIDS $$$$ is it?
That amount of $ can finance a terrorist geng. Hope they not.
To Tun Salleh, keep on writing and open the hidden
We want to know more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by yapdalim, June 10, 2008 | 18:39:52
The Sneer is nothing but a tin pot dictator. He have absolutely no idea of what democracy is.
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written by KotaDamansara73, June 10, 2008 | 19:52:09
Mahathiu says:
"I am Mahatiu. Who dares to challenge me. If I am still the PM, I will jail all of you bloggers and all opposition party. No doubt about it. You are all idiots. I am the King, God and the Ultimate Warlords of the Malays."
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written by bexe, June 10, 2008 | 21:20:48
Great. Now the 64 trillion dollar question is where do we go from here? Who is to right these wrongs? How do we reverse the perversions of justice so that those victims can have their day in court? Our current leader has no balls. Neither does he have any backbone nor brains. So we need someone new. Somewhere with these attributes to close this horrific national wound and heal this country so we can achieve some greatness that I know we can.
Perhaps Tun Salleh can offer some suggestions?
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written by Taiping60, June 10, 2008 | 23:06:00
The more I know the more I fear. It is wonder that we survive through that period. If those claims were trus against our former prime minister then it will goes down in history as our darkest period. A period we would all want to forget.
Let me borrow the phrase from the former lord president,
"One's stupidity is most glaring in one's thought that everybody else is stupid!".
I think it is still happening if you were to look read through some of the comments in response to former PM article about former lord president in his blog.
That is why press freedom is so important to the country.
That is why democratic is so essential to our well being.
I do not care whether you were former PM or former lord President. I believe all MALAYSIAN to speak against anyone who provoke racial sentiment and promote racial hatred. These people whoever they are should be caught and put to jail before the cause anache to the country.
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written by SamBall, June 10, 2008 | 23:06:48
Mah kaka has fucked and sucked this country for so long; he is just that good, and hoodwinked all of us.
His ancestors in Kerala must be laughing; what a bunch of idiot Malays and Msians. Ini kaka tak boleh kalah; lebih pandai dari lu semua
Susah nak pecatkan dia, cuba try tengok. He will pusing you..
Does anyone know how much him & family are worth. Me thinks at least 1B MYR.
What do you think? 2B MYR, 5B MYR or 10B MYR? Any bets?
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written by Sabahfan, June 10, 2008 | 23:27:01
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MAHAFIRAUN, MAHATAIK...
WHY, why should i call u Tun? Tun for what? for raping the country's wealth and destroying the Judiciary? Your tunship should be withdrawn and you go to helll.
Also, i would not calll him a Dr, cos u are not even qualified to prescribe PANADOL...
and u dont have a PHD degree, so you now Dr of what? Dr Penipu, Dr firaun???
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written by searchforjustice, June 11, 2008 | 00:17:25
Tun Dr Mahathir would probably have been remembered for all the good things he did for Malaysia during his Prime Ministership if he had retired gracefully and held himself with dignity in retirement. Instead, he had chosen to fight in the political arena again. As a result, all kinds of things are being said and revealed about him. Such widespread and constant condemnations will undoubtedly damage his reputation and create a very negative perception of his time as Premier. His Premiership and his legacy have now been greatly downgraded in the eyes of the rakyat. What a pity.
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written by partiotic, June 11, 2008 | 00:25:43
Hi! Mamak as a Indian and you have not help the Indian in Malaysia, your great grand father in India will punish you.You have sell your Indian community in Malaysia for your self interest.
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written by peter, June 11, 2008 | 01:27:52
The source of all the problems Malaysia is facing today can be traced back to this MAHAFIRAUN.
He was a tyrant and he still thinks he commands such respect among Malaysians.
I pray that he will have a long life to languish in a prison.
When I read Tun Salleh Abbas' book "May Day" I truly cried. Tun Salleh Abbas you will surely be among the saints for what you had to go through. I truly salute you and your are my true HERO.
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written by SocratesI, June 11, 2008 | 09:19:51
I only wish the Maha-Shithead has a long, long life ... long enough for him to stand charges for ABUSE of POWER, SUBVERTING OUR CONSTITUTION, CORRUPTION, TREASON for having done what he has done to Malaysia, and for promoting racialism.
And long enough to be incarcerated for the rest of his f*cked up life without any hope of parole, and parade him as an example to tomorrow's leaders what a leader SHOULD NOT BE !
I hope he rots in jail, and burns in Hell !! In my court, he is 200% guilty !!
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written by SCM, June 11, 2008 | 10:50:45
Yo Mahathir, can't you read? Are your eyes failing you? Have you gone senile? The people hate you. Your cronies in the media never divulged all your crooked ways while you were PM. But now we have blogs, etc.
So many people have suffered because of all your injustices. And for what? All because of money and power. Look at what you did to MGG Pillai. There are thousands like him. Look at what you did to Anwar Ibrahim. Just for money and power, you got your cronies to lie to the rakyat and disgraced him and his family. I hope someone does this to you with a picture of you having sex with Robert Mugabe. For all the crime that you have committed, you will suffer. I hope Badawi puts you in jail under your favourite ISA. I hope Anwar becomes PM soon and keeps you in jail under ISA and then, puts your children in the cells next to you. Yes, including that "mussings" girl. What has she done to be so rich? Does she still drive a Satria for show and drive all those luxury cars for pleasure? Yes Marina, we all know your tactics. It's the Mahathir style to dupe the people. Your father used to drive a Perdana. But we also remember the luxury cars your brothers used to drive to Barn Thai on a regular basis in the past. They were bold enough to advertise their whereabouts by using luxury cars carrying MM as the alphabets on the no. plates. Do they still buy out all the latest designers in KL or do they go directly to Milan and Paris for their clothes nowadays?
Mahathir, many people in the world have done much much less than you and have been sent to life in prison. You "killed" people and their beliefs for 22 years. You are a serial killer. Unlike you, Malaysians are not cruel by nature. If you agree to fade away quietly, we will just forget you ever existed. Deal?
And these are comments made at People's Parliament on this article. I thank Harris for linking this article to PP. Just for the record:
# Hi&Lo Says:
June 9, 2008 at 8:55 pm
As I had said in the previous entry that Dr M is malaysia’s most gifted salesman.
First, he would try to convince his clients. If this doesn’t work, he would attempt to confuse. The last card is to con them.
# donplaypuks Says:
June 9, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Bro
Well put.
We can’t let Firaun and his lackeys mislead us with their selective memories.
In the 1st place you will recall how Firaun dealt with the 2, not 1, issues and controversies surrounding the Sultan of Johor. The 1st, the more serious, which was covered up by Firaun, appeared in the Wall St Journal etc.
So, Firaun cannot pretend that he was so in awe of the Sultan and the issue of respect for the Royalty, that he had to rush to defend him over the perceived
‘disrespect’ to them from Salleh Abbas’ letter.
The facts are simple.
Firaun manipulated the entire sordid episode from beginning to end. We have been paying the price for a COWED judiciary with corruption and injustice for the last 20 years, while others like Firaun’s children became multi millionaires, who even had to be bailed out by Petronas, using taxpayers’ hard-earned money!
The cost to the nation was billions, which had we been able to avoid, would have cushioned us from the spiralling oil prices, instead of now severely burdening the middle and lower-income citizenry.
But there is 1 over-riding reason why the Tun Salleh Abbas sacking is illegal and therefore, the decision must be declared VOID.
Most of the judges in the Tribunal which found him guilty were not his PEERS as required by the Constitution. Retired or serving senior judges cannot be equated with the position held by serving Lord Presidents or Chief Justices!
# KakiAyam Says:
June 9, 2008 at 10:47 pm
I read his post some time ago. I am now convinced this wily old man is seriously deluded. The majority of the comments say nothing about the issue in discussion, but piling praise upon praise of how great this man is.
Nobody will know whether these comments are real and whether all bad comments are indeed filtered. (I did attempt to send both, and both appears,… still i am not convinced)
If these comments (that are supportive of Dr.M) are for real, then I guess the concept of Bangsa Malaysia is still very very far off…
KaKiaYam
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http:\\chickenfeet.wordpress.com
# A Voter Says:
June 10, 2008 at 1:38 am
A question I am wondering as well “Adakah Dr. Mahathir nyanyuk?”
My grandma is an octogenarian, as she sometime suffers from dementia (physically harmless).
Although I hated Mahathir’s policies, I must admit I had my sympathy for him as well.
I am not sure whether Mahathir suffers from dementia?
But I wish him well and Spend good and invaluable time with his family and SHUT THE HELL UP, SIR!
# Richard teo Says:
June 10, 2008 at 2:15 am
Mahathir son of Mohamad Kutty has an indian father from Kerala and he is an imposter trying to be more malay than a malay.He is a disgrace to his father’s ancestry.No matter how he try to hide his indian blood he cannot deny his indian heritage.
# Sab Says:
June 10, 2008 at 3:19 am
I like the 1st comment of Hi&Lo. What a striking one! That’s Tun Dr M for you.
# rocketreferral Says:
June 10, 2008 at 8:38 am
Not an imposter
# Najib Manaukau Says:
June 10, 2008 at 9:03 am
Mamak Mahathir is just trying to confuse and divert the issue and states only part of the saga. Have him indicted and the whole truth will surface and not just what he says ? He is good at that , the corrupted Mamak
Mahathir . Have him indicted under all circumstances!!!
# malayamuda Says:
June 10, 2008 at 9:19 am
arent there capable / eligible leaders amongst the Malay community to lead the Malays ?
Do we need Mamaks like Mahathir or Indons like Khir Toyo to lead us ?
Mahathir and Khir Toyo are Malay imposters here to rob this country using the ” Malay ” card to fool the Malays.
# barry Says:
June 10, 2008 at 9:33 am
Mahathir is a liar, just like Badawi is a liar. They are liars because they have swindled the country billions of ringgits. And they continue to lie to cover up for the lies they made. But Mahathir is a ruthless and heartless man who will destroy anyone who comes in his way, and he will of course lie to try to cover up for the wicked deeds. Alas, his time on earth is short, but he doesn’t quite realise it. I predict he will be dead by this year, then off to meet his Maker.
# Ahmad Says:
June 10, 2008 at 9:57 am
Allah is Great.
One by one all the wrongdoing and happenning during TDM as PM will surface.
Let pray more and more to come before TDM while he still around so people and our generation will remember and understand.
I wish Anwar Ibrahim’s case be reviewed in court and let people watch who realy TDM is!!!!!!!.
# thinking Says:
June 10, 2008 at 10:45 am
Haris,
Not sure if this is relevant to your post, but I thought that you and your readers may find this article of interest. It appears in today’s Borneo Post.
High Court judge makes explosive judicial disclosures
http://www.theborneopost.com/?p=36672
Cheers.
thinking,
Awesome.
# demi masa Says:
June 10, 2008 at 11:29 am
we must behave ourself including to blame others. We as muslim cannot dan ever to call other muslim ‘firaun’. adakah kita ini manusia terbaik atau yang di jamin ke syurga. dunia tetaplah dunia, jangan kerana dosa orang, kita terbenam sama. banyak-banyaklah bersabar dan doakan para pemimpin kita. semua orang boleh cerca pemimpin, saya pun boleh, tetapi berapa ramai yang setiap hari mendoakan pemimpin kita. fikir-fikirlah sama. kisah Tun Salleh Abbas ni, Tuhan lebih tahu siapa yang betul. Kita semua akan mati, Allah akan berikan keputusan pada kita
# kluangman Says:
June 10, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Komen komen yang diberi sekadar melepaskan geram kepada TDM, tidak ada fakta yang boleh menyanggah, maki hamun menunjukkan emosi kebodohan diri sendiri.
TDM memang seorang jurujual yang berjaya dan anda adalah diantara ‘produk’ murahannya.
# hkengmacao Says:
June 10, 2008 at 12:35 pm
MAHATHIR IS A ‘recalcitrant’. NOTHING ELSE BUT ‘recalcitrant’. FULLSTOP.
# Muslim Says:
June 10, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Mahatir, open up your website please, allow people to speak up the truth. What your doing is you are trying cover all your good did and most of the people who write in your site only your friends your relative and your grand children. Look every Malaysian know that you were the man behind Tun Salleh dismisal all you do now is that you were trying divert all attention towards your wrong doing. What happen today to this beloved country is your mistake you are the man responsible for the downfall. You abuse,you rape our judisury, you plunder our wealth. Why are you quiet about Petornas Account. Yes Mahatir you are solely responsible for what happen Malaysia today.
# Siew Eng Says:
June 10, 2008 at 12:55 pm
I wish those who insist on calling Dr M a Mamak with the intention of insulting him would stop, and I hope others would not ape these racists/ethnic supremacists. To the Chinese, how would you like to be called a chink and told to balik tongsan? As for those who disparage Indonesians as not ‘Malays’, remember who founded the empire that eventually morphed into Malaysia?
Really, I expect better from visitors to this site, who I thought were enlightened enough to look beyond the colour of our skin.
And FYI, I have no love for Dr M at all, whom I blame for skewing our values, including indoctrinating a whole generation of Malays on Malay ’supremacy’. So cut this racist labelling. Please do attack Dr M for his Machiavellian actions, especially in the past (and someone get him to retire, PLEASE), but stop denigrating a whole ethnic group just because of this rotten apple.
# matt Says:
June 10, 2008 at 1:31 pm
This is life,mahatir’s malay dilemma has come one full circle to haunt him.The way he is exposing thing’s on his blog look’s like the shit has hit the fan.
# yh Says:
June 10, 2008 at 1:49 pm
go to malaysia-today to read what a high court judge, Ian Chin revealed about inteference from CJ and the then PM. You be aghast at what they have done to the judiciary.
Kudos to Ian Chin for the revelation. Guess, ex-PM regrets he left office early. Now, all his misdeeds are being unravelled and history may judge him harshly. What goes round will come round, I guess. In Karma, you reap what you sow.
# Paul Warren Says:
June 10, 2008 at 1:49 pm
What ever Mahathir is guilty of there are two items tha tMahathir brought up that is relevant.
The first, the letter of complaint over the noise. Looks like it was written in his official capacity and it was copied to the other Sultans too. This was a domestic issue where he just needed to pop over and talk it over assuming there was cause for complaint. This information was previously never revealed. Its revelation now is damaging to the esteem of Salleh Abas and indeed he would lose some sympathy over this.
The second was of course the content of the next letter of complaint where he admits diminished capacities or at least the tendencies towards diminished mental capacities.
Now, if you were boarding a plane, you don’t say the word “bomb” even in jest. Some things as a chief judge you also don’t say, even metaphorically.
If I have had complete sympathy for Salleh Abas before this, I should say that this piece of information which is new to me causes a dent in that unconditional sympathy.
# sikapitan Says:
June 10, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Sorry. I don’t see the point of this “open reply”. It’s just a rambling that is not backed by any evidence or counter-claim.
Again,I urge fellow Malaysians to open your eyes and see everything with an open mind.
# shar101 Says:
June 10, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Thinking,
Definitely relevant, I’d say. Thanks for the heads up and link.
# barry Says:
June 10, 2008 at 2:33 pm
thinking,
Yeah, I read it in MT just now. 1 more MP for PR should a by-election by called for in Sarikei. Only 29 needed.
# Parli-Man Says:
June 10, 2008 at 2:49 pm
beautiful reply just beautiful..superb sarcasm. I like how he ends it by subtlely telling Kutty that he is of an ‘uncommon ‘ breed !
# mauryaII Says:
June 10, 2008 at 3:04 pm
If there was a curse on this beautiful country of ours, it must have been the day the mamak Mohamad Kutty landed on our shores. When his offspring, Mamakthir became a Malay he set about the downfall of the country with his gandiose megalomania to come up with whatever that would satiate his big EGO.
There is no doubt at all that:
he single handedly corrupted the judiciary;
he incarcerated all his opponents under the guise of Operation Lalang;
he couldn’t stand another better man, be it DPM Musa Hitam, Tengku Razali or Anwar Ibrahim. In the case of Anwar, he fabricated scenarios and malicious lies as means to discredit, expel and imprison him;
he used the rakyat’s money to bail out his cronies’ business failures and also that of his son’s.
his mismangement of the country’s resources has resulted in our country’s economy in such dire straits
He is not only a wily old man suffering from selective amnesia but also a crafty one who would stoop to any level to achieve his malicious and devilish aims in life, no matter if that good for nothing life of his is at its last breath.
# hkengmacao Says:
June 10, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Tun Salleh Abas complained about noise from renovation? I personally have doubt over it. Mahathir should show th e letter supposedly written by Tun Salleh Abas.
Do you think so, Rocky Bru, Paul Warren?
Don’t arrive at your conclusion so fast since Mahathir can ‘pusing’ so well.
# mauryaII Says:
June 10, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Dear Siew Eng,
It is not that we want to humiliate by calling him a mamak. He is not a pure Malay. His father is an Indian muslim from the state of Kerala. What irritates people is when this guy assumes the Malay identity but does not give the same right to other Indian Muslims in the country. Calling him a mamak or Mamakthir is to remind him of his roots. By the way nobody is asking him to go back to India because whatever it is he is a Malaysian citizen. Nobody can deny him that right. It is enshrined in the constitution.
# Equalizer Says:
June 10, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Harris, there is another explosive disclosure involving Mahathir.
See:
http://bangmalaysia.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/peversion-of-justice-another-explosive-disclosure/
Bangsa Malaysia must act to save judiciary from destruction.
# matt Says:
June 10, 2008 at 4:11 pm
God help us all if we can’t see through this old man and his trusted barking dog matthias spin.For 22 yrs he kept us in fear mode let us all say never again.Anyway just heard unconfirmed,another mamak is on the way out[riong kali]good riddance.
# novice101 Says:
June 10, 2008 at 11:35 pm
En. Art Harun,
We are dealing with a chameleon, who is also a Machiaveillian, he will say and do anything as long as they farther his personal interests.
We do not have to be too worked-up over what he does and says, for at the end of the day, he is the one who has to face the consequences of his own deeds.
# a concerned voter Says:
June 11, 2008 at 12:24 am
This old tyrant is getting very confused,desperate and panicky each day as more dirts are being dug up.I think the very reason he set up his own blog is to pacify himself so that he can sleep better at night.Initially,out of curiosity,I visited his blog to see what he has to say but I was very pissed off.He is still singing his old tunes as usual.Nothing new or positive.The same old ketuanan melayu stuff or calling for the sleepy head to step down and things like that.What amazed me is that he can garnered a million visitors to his blog and they take his words so seriously.He continued talking hogwash because he knows the corrupted gomen of Abdullah Badawi could not haul him into the court.He is still taking us as a fool,so why should we be so stir up by his words which are mostly lies anyway?
# thinking Says:
June 11, 2008 at 7:32 am
Haris and shar101,
you are welcome :) I couldn’t believe my eyes yesterday morning when I saw the report of the disclosure made the front page of the Borneo Post. I can only hope that the BP reporters and the publisher will continue to have the courage to report the truth.
Wow!!! What revelations!!! I'm simply astounded by the gall of our ex-Premier. There's just too many questions up in my head right now, but one stands out...what in the world warrants a guy that has been voted in by the electorate to govern the country gotten so powerful and so out-of-control and allowed him to stay in power for more than 2 decades!!!!!!! It's so telling we are a nation of mostly laidback non-confrontative lot and not predisposed to asking the right questions or even having the balls and knowledge to boot out bad politicians come election time.
It's about time we grow up and start thinking as cohesive Malaysians and make responsible and intelligent choices on who we have to run the country on our behalf. The last election certainly was a step in the right direction.
Bloggers who do not allow posts lack credibility more so when their comments are ambiguous.
Hi Arty,
Your posting is a disappointment!! It is too long winded and too manipulative in nature. I find that you are too emotionally involved and one can see so much anger seething through the words that you have written. In the end, your posting is confusing and simply put, quite incomprehensible.
I have a few pointers to add to what you have written. First of all, Dr M was merely being critical about the Malays during his talk in Johor. It was more like a father telling his son to study harder or his classmates would be better than him. I don't see any racialist sentiments at all. Maybe, you are a bit too sensitive.
We have to be a bit careful with the IDR. If we are not careful as in the case of Pedra Branca, we may end up losing a huge chunk of our nation to foreigners. In that case, all Malaysians will lose out. Maybe, you are not so 'patriotic' and you just can't be bother.
I am a bit confused about this apology to Tun Salleh. First of all, who decide to apologise? Is it Zaid Ibrahim himself or the government? Next, what is the basis for the apology? Is it because the tribunal make a wrong decision or is is out of sympathy? If it is because the tribunal who had made a wrong decision, then who decides it is a wrong decision? Is it Zaid Ibrahim himself, or the government or some high ranking judge? If it is out of sympathy, then whoever sympathises Tun Salleh should apologise and not any specific individual. See, all these unanswered questions have made me really confused. No wonder your posting is so confusing as well.
Now, we also have these letters to His Majesty about noises due to renovation works and about Tun Salleh's claim that he is unable to discharge his duties properly. You then seem to be at a lost on determining which letter was used as the basis for the setting up of the tribunal. You further muddled it up with your irrelevant questions about Dr M being a royalist and paralysingly subservient to the King. Then, you rambled on and on about the fearless Dr M and the constitutional amendments. Blah, blah, blah, it's such a waste of time!! Let all of us be clear on this issue. As Malaysians, we first and foremost owe our allegiance to His Majesty DYMM Seri Paduka Baginda Yang DiPertuan Agung. No questions about that!! The reason for the setting up of the tribunal was because Tun Salleh had written about him not being able to discharge his duties properly. There is no other reason, period!!! So, please don't try to confuse everyone with this 'royalist', 'paralysingly subservient' crap. You also have this great eagerness to know why Tun Salleh was not charged for being rude to His Majesty The King. Well, the answer is so glaringly clear that only a nincompoop could have miss it. Can you imagine the idea of settin up a tribunal to try a Lord President over a letter complaining about noise due to reonvation works?? I can't, maybe you can.
You then go on a detour, complaining about some RTM movies that you don't like. Frankly speaking, I would prefer if RTM could broadcast some of my favourite shows such as The Sound of Music, My Fair Lady, Alice in Wonderland, etc, etc. Well, what can you do if they don't? I just simply have to live with it.
Your ramblings continue on to a certain Lord President. I believe that certain Lord President was investigated by the ACA and the AG's conclusion was there was no case. So, what do you expect Dr. M to do? Insist on having a case? Well, unless further evidence crops up, you cant' insist on having a case when there is no case. Fortunately, further evidence did crop up and we now have a case. So lets' just wait for the conclusion of the new case.
Next, your imagination goes wild with all these allegations about Dr M having great disdain for law, lawyers and the judiciary. Only Dr M can confirm your allegations, if not, your allegations will still be allegations.
You then proceeded with your conspiracy theory about the sacking of Tun Salleh and UMNO 11. Based on your balance of probability (wonder what is that), you claim that your conspiracy theory works. So far,it makes interesting reading rivalling to those spy thrillers that I read when I was attending school. Your balance of probability (I still don't know what is it) seems to have introduce a new concept of justice which is a person can be found guilty based on one's imagination. You then took us back in time about Asian Wall Street Journal and Time magazine. You inferred that Dr M launch an attack on the judiciary based on a speech by some judge and how Tun Salleh had to defend the judiciary. Blah, blah, blah. Please, all these are just figments of your imagination and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Other than that, no further action is required.
Arty, I appreciate the beauty of the common law. Like you, I am also a supporter of the truth but we cannot bend the truth with our own conjectures, inferences and allegations. We just cannot condemn someone as guilty simply because we wanted him to be guilty. Arty, please stop being so emotional. It's such a pity!!
That supposed first letter to the King was concocted to debunk the universal belief that Tun Salleh had been wrongly removed. The man you are openly replying to is devious and shrewd, such that he wants the whole world to see that he was indeed justified in sacking the former Lord President.
Indeed, his former political secretary who sees shadows everywhere had the gall to suggest as an additional defence, that Tun Salleh's "second" letter practically admitted that he, Tun Salleh was rightly removed because he said he 'could no longer discharge his functions orderly and properly' because of the executive's interference! What a load of s**t.
I hope his other victim, Anwar Ibrahim will one day shortly assume the prime ministership and have his former boss account for his catalogue of misdeeds and hopefully by then the man in the dock would not be too old and fragile to face tri
This scum of an ex-prime minister will say anything to show himself as the ever truthful and righteous person that he was. Let's have more truths about him during his fancy days of reign.
Professor,
I left a comment in your blog yesterday but it did not appear. Why?
Did you reject it? If so why?
It was an innocuous comment. Nothing libelous or seditious.
Or it just disappeared into cyberspace?
Hi everybody,
I do apologize about the comments section! I was messing about with the settings and accidentally clicked it off. Have put up all the comments unedited.
Those comments where removed are double posts and so I have removed them for ease of reading.
Sorry!
Hi Everyone,
First of all, thank you for visiting this blog and read my article on Salleh Abas.
Secondly, I would like to say that I am not a Professor and I really do not know why I am addressed as one in the comment section here. But I must admit it does sound good. :)
Thirdly, my apologies for all the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. I was writing this article in a hurry and had posted it even without checking them.
Fourthly, thank you for all the compliments and to those who share my views. To those who criticise me and do not agree with my views, I also wish to thank you all for taking the trouble to read the article and commenting on it. The beauty of a democracy is that everybody could express his or her opinion. We will just have to agree to disagree then. What I value the most is a debate done in civility and for this I shall thank you all again.
Cheerz.
Yes Art,
We value debate where arguments stand on their own strengths.
I can't read MalaysiaToday. People's Parliament's mild in comparison.
I suggest that you don't trawl for profanities and sick material and post them here.
How could you accept these description and wishes for a past-leader?
written by Fernz, June 10, 2008 | 12:15:15
(http://fernzjoefernandez.blogspot.com)
written by FOLI, June 10, 2008 | 13:18:36
written by SocratesI, June 11, 2008 | 09:19:51
etc ... Anonymous said ...
It's maybe quite understandable (racists?), you don't hear these sick labels being put on non-Malay leaders?
This is just a suggestion.
Hj M Zin
Alor Gajah
Dear Tuan Hj M Zin,
I take your point. Most of the comments are more emotional rather than rational. I don't subscribe to name calling for sure.
regards,
aer harun
Professor Art Harun, "Thank you!" The good Doc has committed 'hara-kiri' in his latest self defence pose! (An apt act remembering his 'look east policy! Dr M's latest claim that Royal displeasure was the reason for Tun Salleh's impeachment has actually vindicated the honorable judge! The concocted charges against Tun Salleh made up a vile brew! The arrogance, belligerence and disdain of the law is the legacy of Dr Mahatir to UMNO and Malaysia! His brand of patriotism has bred another scoundrel- Perkasa!
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